{"id":387,"date":"2017-08-01T05:36:13","date_gmt":"2017-08-01T05:36:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/?p=387"},"modified":"2026-02-13T17:48:31","modified_gmt":"2026-02-13T17:48:31","slug":"my-interview-with-twin-peaks-unwrapped-hosts-ben-bryon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/?p=387","title":{"rendered":"My Interview with Twin Peaks Unwrapped Hosts Ben &; Bryon"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Ben Durant and Bryon Kozaczka, the hosts of the\u00a0Twin Peaks Unwrapped<\/em>\u00a0podcast, were in the middle of recording their show focusing on Part 8 of\u00a0Twin Peaks: The Return<\/em>\u00a0when they took a break to record this interview<\/a> with me. Supporting other projects in the\u00a0Twin Peaks<\/em>\u00a0fan community as well as their decision to include so many people on their show as special guests is something they are both very passionate about. \u201cI think that\u2019s one reason why Ben and I work so well together. We both have the philosophy that nothing is worth doing unless you can do it with your friends. The community has embraced us and we\u2019ve embraced them. It\u2019s been a fun ride. When the show is over, we\u2019re going to have these friendships for years to come. It\u2019s the coolest thing\u201d Bryon explained.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

One of the most endearing qualities of Twin Peaks Unwrapped<\/em> is their chemistry as hosts. \u201cIt was my 40th birthday party and I knew Bryon had got the\u00a0Twin Peaks<\/em>\u00a0Blu-Ray set for Christmas, so I asked him if he\u2019d watched it yet. It was March now. I already wanted to do a podcast and when he said he hadn\u2019t started the show I asked him if he wanted to do a podcast and told him we could do it through his eyes. If I was going to do a podcast, I knew he\u2019d be the perfect person to do the show with\u201c Ben said. \u201cWe\u2019d known each other for a very long time. We didn\u2019t really hang out all that much with him living in Connecticut and me living in Massachusetts but he had this idea for a podcast and it was perfect timing\u2014a golden opportunity.\u201d Bryon followed up. \u201cWe\u2019ve become closer friends because of the show. We text or talk to each other every day now, which is something we didn\u2019t do before the show\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Twin Peaks Unwrapped<\/em> podcast has not only covered all episodes of Twin Peaks <\/em>but a whole host of other projects related to the series, the fan community and David Lynch\u2019s other works. The episodes covering Lynch\u2019s films are favorites of many and typically include guests to help analyze and discuss whichever film they are covering. True to the show\u2019s format, Ben had seen all of these films prior to recording episodes discussing them and Bryon had not. \u201cThe running joke was after every new Lynch film I saw I would always come on the show and say it was my new favorite! Looking back, Eraserhead<\/em> always sticks out. I also go back to Fire Walk With Me<\/em>. After seeing Fire Walk With Me<\/em> a second time, I\u2019ve been itching to watch it again.\u201d Bryon said. \u201cIt wasn\u2019t that long ago that we watched Lost Highway<\/em> and it was still my favorite. I\u2019ve almost memorized every line in the film. It still feels very mystical to me. I always use the word raw to describe it. It\u2019s just such a good film. Yeah, it\u2019s still my favorite Lynch film and I\u2019m still mad there\u2019s no Blu-Ray for it (laughs) \u201dBen responded.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ben and Bryon have a reputation for not missing a week and have released an episode of Twin Peaks Unwrapped<\/em> now for 108 straight weeks and counting. \u201cWhere we\u2019re at now with\u00a0Twin Peaks<\/em>\u00a0being back, we can\u2019t record two shows in a week as we could before and take some time off. We have to record every week. It\u2019s tough. I was just sick, and then Bryon went on vacation and we had to figure out how to record the show, not in the studio. The nice thing about when the show [Twin Peaks<\/em>] ends is we can go back to recording two shows in a week if we want to\u201d Ben said. We began discussing their plans for Twin Peaks Unwrapped<\/em> after\u00a0Twin Peaks: The Return<\/em>\u00a0ends. \u201cBen has a lot of plans he probably hasn\u2019t shared with me,\u201d Bryon said, laughing. I usually have six months planned ahead of time. We definitely can go back to the short films [of David Lynch]. We have Mark Frost\u2019s upcoming book we\u2019ll get into\u201d Ben replied. \u201cWe\u2019ll do another Best Of show at the end of the year like we\u2019ve done the last two years. In 2018 we don\u2019t know what we\u2019re going to do. We might take a break. We\u2019ve never missed a week in 108 straight weeks. We might start doing shows when we feel it\u2019s necessary and not weekly. We\u2019ll see. Ben will probably come up with something. We\u2019re both talking about projects outside of podcasting that we\u2019re both interested in \u201c said Bryon.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Our conversation shifted to Mark Frost\u2019s novel, The Secret History of Twin Peaks<\/em> and the role it plays on the series. \u201cI feel like the book might have more to do with the series than we first thought, especially after seeing Part 8. When you first read it, there\u2019s all this UFO stuff and it almost feels more X-Files<\/em> than Twin Peaks<\/em> but each week I keep thinking that Mark Frost did plant the seeds for what was going on in the show. I don\u2019t know that I trust everything that was going on in the book. I think Mark Frost knows, for example, that Pete plays chess, not checkers. I am happier though each week with the book when you see why it covered Dougie Milford going to New Mexico or something like that\u201d Ben answered.\u201cI think Ben said it perfectly\u201d Bryon laughed. \u201cI almost think they gave us everything and the next book will be to help us decipher it. We\u2019ll have enough understanding to where we can go back to the first book and now see how things connect and work\u201d Ben continued. \u201cI feel like the series isn\u2019t going to tell us why things were different in the book but the next book will give us those answers\u201d Bryon added.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We began discussing Twin Peaks: The Return<\/em> and how it\u2019s handling the balancing act of emotion and mythology, as well as their hopes for the rest of the series. \u201cWe do get these moments full of emotion like the old series gave us \u2014 moments like the hit and run with the mother and her son that are so full of emotion. Then there are the scenes with the Log Lady and Hawk. Knowing that the actress was dying made for a really powerful moment of her talking to Hawk. I do think they are getting closer and closer to getting back to Twin Peaks<\/em> and following those characters as get into the second half of the series\u201c Ben said. \u201cI\u2019ve been excited to see my favorite characters, which is where a lot of emotion has come from for me. The actors have brought a lot of emotion to the scenes.\u201d Bryon added. \u201cThey\u2019ve done a lot of set up; like telling us James was in an accident and then him and the girl at the bar\u201d Ben started. \u201cThen there\u2019s Shelly\u2019s daughter with her husband and the drugs. We\u2019re getting these tastes of things\u201d Bryon said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cI just have to say how impressed I am with how much Lynch and Frost have already given us \u2014 giving us the exchange between Cooper and Laura so quickly, for example. We waited 25 years to see how Cooper would get out of the Red Room and we found out quick. I would really like to see more of the mythology stuff I love\u2014more of the Owl Cave ring, the Jumping Man, the grandmother and her grandson. They\u2019ve already delivered so much there too with the Woodsmen just recently\u201c Ben started. Bryon followed up \u201dI really want to see Cooper and Laura in the real world and a confrontation between the forces of good and the forces of evil. I want to see Laura be the one to save Cooper this time. I don\u2019t know how it would play out but I feel like that would bring things full circle.\u201d \u201cI do like that too. I wouldn\u2019t mind seeing Laura also confronting her parents. I think it would be amazing if she could. It\u2019s funny what your expectations are like before the show starts and now with what they\u2019ve given us, I feel content and satisfied. I\u2019m just going with it. If you wanna blow up an atomic bomb and spend 20 minutes showing it, I\u2019ll go with it. I\u2019m pretty happy. I do want Kyle to play our Cooper again. I do want to see the Cooper that\u2019s childlike and gets excited again\u201d Ben responded.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Our conversation ended where it began: talking about a love of the community of Twin Peaks<\/em> fans. \u201cI don\u2019t think of this as my show. I tell people to come on and take over the show. We just had John Thorne on and I told him it was his show and to give us your theories. We called up the guys from Counter Esperanto<\/em> and asked them to recite a poem at the beginning of our show and they did. They could have done it for their show if they wanted to. I think Twin Peaks<\/em> has the best community and we\u2019re all here to support each other. I see it every day where people are helping each other out and I just love it. I embrace it. We get to hang out and talk Twin Peaks<\/em> with our friends. We\u2019ll be going to the Twin Peaks<\/em> festival in Washington State and get to hang out with friends there. That\u2019s what this is all about. We\u2019re not making money off of this. It really is all about the community and just loving Twin Peaks<\/em>\u201d Ben concluded.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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