{"id":160502659,"date":"2017-09-01T04:49:00","date_gmt":"2017-09-01T04:49:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/?p=160502659"},"modified":"2026-02-23T04:50:08","modified_gmt":"2026-02-23T04:50:08","slug":"john-thorne-talks-twin-peaks-finale-what-he-would-like-to-see-theories-more","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/?p=160502659","title":{"rendered":"John Thorne Talks Twin Peaks Finale, what he would like to see, Theories & More!"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Author John Thorne (Wrapped in Plastic magazine, The Blue Rose Magazine and The Essential Wrapped in Plastic) returns to the site as him and I had a phone conversation yesterday previewing the Twin Peaks finale. Here\u2019s a transcript of that conversation. I hope you enjoy reading!<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: How are your feelings different before this finale compared to before the Season 2 finale?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: That\u2019s a good question. For the finale for Season 2, we knew it was over and it was not ending the way it was intended to end. The show had essentially been cancelled or not renewed and we were all fairly certain that the story wasn\u2019t over and we were going to get cliffhangers. There was a kind of sadness there. We didn\u2019t know if we would ever see anymore or if there would be any resolution. This time around, I feel differently about it because I think Lynch and Frost crafted the story the way they wanted to. They knew how it was going to end and that it would come to an ending. They may have left some of it open to explore further, but I don\u2019t think they left it open that it had to be continued. I think we are going to get a definitive conclusion. So with that in mind, I guess my feeling is that I\u2019m happy that it\u2019s been done the way that they wanted it to be done and that when the finale is done, we\u2019re going to have this completed work that we can go back to and explore.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: Something I just wrote about was a feeling that we would have closure with Cooper and perhaps even Laura, but some of the other parts of the story would be left to our imagination, Lynch and Frost\u2019s way of telling us that the story continues even without the cameras showing us what happens. That\u2019s something I really hope for as a fan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: I think we\u2019ve already got that. You\u2019ve obviously examined the work extremely closely so these things I\u2019m going to mention you already know well. The strange credit sequence where Ed is looking at his reflection\u2014that was deliberate. They probably added that reflective imagine in during editing on purpose. The strange lights on the window of the FBI plane. The bizarre edit at the end of Part 7 that seems to imply that time has shifted between one scene and another in the Double R. I could go on and on. Those things I don\u2019t think will be addressed by any means, and I don\u2019t think they\u2019re going to be resolved. There might be some new pieces of information to help us come up with theories to explain these scenes but I don\u2019t think they\u2019ll be explained. So you\u2019re right\u2014that\u2019s where we\u2019re going to have this rich, rich text that we can go back to, explore and try to come up with ideas to explain why these things happened the way they did. With 2 hours left [laughs] they\u2019d have to spend every minute to address 120 different loose ends they still have to talk about and they just won\u2019t.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: Let me throw another example out. I was chatting with a few of the writers from the site and Eileen brought up the glitches. She hypothesized that perhaps every time we saw a glitch when a character died that the glitch could indicate that it was a tulpa. Wanted to see if you had any thoughts on that theory.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: Well, that is interesting. I hadn\u2019t thought of that. Have we seen other deaths that didn\u2019t have the glitch? There was the Warden, no glitch there. It\u2019s a possibility and I do like the idea. I certainly won\u2019t dismiss it. My first reaction to the glitches was that it was a stylistic choice made by David Lynch to perhaps convey the horror and the violence of sudden death. That\u2019s where I would start. There seems to be a hint that Duncan Todd got involved with Mr C later on based on what he told Roger in Part 2 about getting involved with \u201ca guy like that\u201d, implying that he was in some kind of trouble and Phyllis Hastings certainly existed before. That\u2019s not to say they weren\u2019t replacements though. I do find her theory intriguing, though. That\u2019s the beauty of this show. I guarantee you a year from now people will be making more connections like this and we\u2019ll look into it. This is a show we can explore perhaps endlessly or at least for a great deal of time and that\u2019s a great gift. I can\u2019t think of another work of art like this that delivers so much. It\u2019s great.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: You had an interesting tweet recently, comparing Diane and Naido. Where do you stand with that now after you\u2019ve had a few more days to think about it?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: I think there\u2019s a connection between those two characters but what it is yet I don\u2019t know. I think it\u2019s fairly reliable information we got when Diane was sitting there, in distress and says \u201cI\u2019m in the Sheriff\u2019s Station\u201d. I mean, I guess she could be Freddie [laughs] or the strange drunk, but the Diane\/Naido connection makes sense to me. Then it occurred to me that they were almost anagrams, the two names. Then someone else said to me if you take the name Diane and say it backwards, in Japan, you would add the O sound to the beginning and that kind of sealed it to me (laughs again). But gosh, for every theory I\u2019ve put out there that\u2019s been right there are probably 100 that have been wrong. This is probably one that\u2019s wrong too but I feel pretty good about it. They\u2019ve put these pieces in place. If Diane\u2019s story is over, I\u2019ll be very disappointed. I don\u2019t think we had sufficient closure for her character. To answer your question, I think there\u2019s a connection there that will be further explored.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: Not just for Blue Velvet<\/em> reunion reasons but I really want to see Laura Dern and Kyle together again onscreen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: Well we did have the Mr C and Diane scene but to have the Cooper of old with his associate Diane that he\u2019s referenced so many times finally enacted would be great.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: After Part 15, everyone was speculating that Naido was Judy, and a week later, that theory has become overshadowed by the Naido and Diane conversation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: It\u2019s almost like everyone forgot the Judy question in a week. I do think the Judy question will be addressed. Obviously, they set that up. With Twin Peaks<\/em>, you have to be so careful. Maybe we don\u2019t get the definitive answer but they give us some more information to make a conclusion. Lots of good potential for Judy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: Last week, we had our weekly debate on the site on this topic. I played the spoiler in a lot of ways, using quotes from Fire Walk With Me<\/em>, The Missing Pieces<\/em> and Bob Engels interviews to say that Judy has always been closely linked to Josie Packard.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: You don\u2019t feel that it\u2019s Laura?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: I always come back to the fact that Jefferies said Judy was from Seattle and how strongly associated Josie was with that city.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: This is great. Take it from me; I will never tell anyone that they\u2019re wrong the way that I have been told many times that I\u2019m wrong about my Twin Peaks<\/em> theories. Every theory almost has some supporting evidence behind it. Not to get too deep into the Judy discussion but the Engels interview is critical and I\u2019ve used it as some of my supporting evidence at times. I do reject anything that did not happen in Fire Walk With Me<\/em>. That includes The Missing Pieces<\/em> although they\u2019ve become more valid. I think Lynch crafted those to be their own complimentary work on the box set and to add to the narrative but they were deleted from the film. Anything that was scripted but not shot I would reject. Anything that Engels said but didn\u2019t make the film I would reject.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I immediately defer to Lynch and again, and in no way am trying to steer you to a different opinion but I don\u2019t see anything to support from the narrative that we have that it could be Josie or Naido. That doesn\u2019t mean it isn\u2019t though. Jefferies said that he\u2019s already met Judy and I would argue that Mr C has not met Naido. It was Cooper. Now Jefferies might not understand the difference between Mr C and Cooper\u2014he seemed to think Mr C was Cooper. I still think its Laura. The monkey says Judy, and it cuts straight to Laura, but that was a theory I put forward to make Fire Walk With Me<\/em> function as a stand-alone film. If you came in cold and studied it long and hard that\u2019s the conclusion you would come away with, without any other narrative to inform it. But we do have more. More before it, more beside it and more after it. That I look forward to finding out, I really do hope they give us something so we can have a fairly confident conclusion about who Judy is. That would be great.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: How do you feel the show has done in handling the two halves of Cooper? For many years now you\u2019ve been outspoken about Cooper being a man divided and not two separate entities. Do you still feel that way?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: Yes, my theory was that Cooper was a man divided and the two parts had to come together to become a whole Cooper. Now we\u2019ve heard from the One-Armed Man that one of them has to die and that kind of throws away the idea that they have to combine. Lynch has said himself that he divided. He even said there was a Good Cooper and a Bad Cooper. Lynch himself has said that. Now having said that, I do think it\u2019s possible that the Good Cooper came out of that socket a diminished being and became Dougie. It was his experiences as Dougie that made him a better human being that made him perhaps a Good Cooper that can function without that other self. I don\u2019t think the Dougie story was random or just for fun. I think it was a critical element of the overall narrative. Everyone who encountered Dougie became a better person. Cooper at the end because of that experience became a better Cooper. I think that he came out stronger than if he had come out of the socket when he was supposed to at \u201c15\u201d and not have had those experiences which informed this new Cooper. Having said all of that, I could very easily accept the idea that they don\u2019t need to re-merge anymore. Cooper has been enhanced, he\u2019s been replenished and that he\u2019s a Cooper who will probably no longer remain in this world once the story is over and he will become the Cooper of the very first scene that we saw with The Fireman. I think that Cooper is a transcendent being and maybe it was his experiences as Dougie that made him that way. So he no longer has to go back and re-merge with that evil self. The story allowed for a different outcome. That\u2019s something I\u2019m very curious about and will be paying close attention to in these last two hours.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: How do you think the character of Freddie will play into the endgame? I\u2019ve been operating under the assumption for a while now that our Cooper would be a diminished being upon his return and that perhaps The Fireman had sent Freddie to assist in the eventual showdown with Mr C?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: I was just talking about this on the Entertainment Weekly<\/em> podcast. It just literally occurred to me as I was speaking about it and I\u2019ve been thinking about it ever since. There\u2019s an irony that some of these characters are almost like chess pieces on a big board. That goes back to the whole chess motif. I think Freddie has been placed in an interesting place on the board, in the jail next to Naido, who was put there by Andy who knows a lot more than most characters at this point. Andy knew she would be safe there. So whatever threat might come to her there now, Freddie is there with his superpower to either protect her or release her. Where it goes from there, I\u2019m not sure.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: You brought up Andy. His role became tremendously more important since we last spoke. I was wondering if you had any thoughts on the part of Andy\u2019s vision where Lucy is in front of him?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: When I first saw it, I was alarmed. When I watched it again, Lucy does not look worried in that scene and Andy seems almost to bring her forward or present her in that sequence and I wonder if it\u2019s something very good. Maybe Wally Brando is there with a baby and they\u2019re grandparents now? This is just crazy speculation that you\u2019re going to quote me on [laughs]. Was it Cooper? Was it Andy showing Lucy Cooper and saying \u201cLook, he\u2019s here again!\u201d or something that Lucy would welcome. With all of the other alarming imagery in that scene, I don\u2019t think the part with Lucy is necessarily bad. He wasn\u2019t in front of her or defending her. That Andy vision is really fascinating. I thought it was interesting that he saw the angels with Laura and whether that idea is going to come into play again or if that was it. The angels were a critical part of Fire Walk With Me<\/em>. Are they still a factor? I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: Let\u2019s transition into Laura. We\u2019ve been told she was important throughout The Return<\/em>. I don\u2019t think it\u2019s a stretch of the imagination to think she will be involved in the final two hours. The question is, how?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: Laura is critically important, no question about it. The Log Lady says, \u201cLaura is the one\u201d. If anyone is an authority, it\u2019s the Log Lady. She is perhaps the most reliable narrator in the whole story. Laura has been yanked out of the Red Room, we saw her in the golden orb, and she\u2019s in every week\u2019s opening credits. She\u2019s important. What is she doing though? I don\u2019t know if she\u2019s a redemptive force that will come into play? I hope she\u2019s not just a Deus ex machine which comes in and fixes it all, which is actually an original intent for the Season 2 finale where Laura comes in as this God-like figure who comes in and saves Agent Cooper. I think she\u2019s going to return home to Sarah and maybe the Woodsmen know she\u2019s coming and are laying in wait in the house. She\u2019s got to assist Cooper somehow. Mr C is one thing, but there\u2019s another plot going on here. It\u2019s not just Mr C vs Agent Cooper. Mr C wants the Experiment. He showed the card to Darya and that face is probably the Experiment. Other people call it Mother, but I refuse to do that because there\u2019s no textual evidence besides the parallel editing. You see that symbol again on Major Briggs note and also most importantly on Hawk\u2019s map when he says you don\u2019t want to know about that. The importance of that is that Hawk is telling us that the Experiment is accessible to us and is near Twin Peaks. That\u2019s where the coordinates are leading. That\u2019s where Mr C is going. We don\u2019t know precisely what Mr C wants to do with the Experiment but I assume that the Experiment is a super powerful being that Mr C either wants to tap into or defeat and take the place of. That is one storyline. Let\u2019s speculate randomly that Cooper defeats Mr C, which is kind of what the story is leading to\u2014the confrontation between the two Coopers. Probably Mr C will be defeated, but there\u2019s more to address. There\u2019s a greater force of evil perhaps for Cooper to face and that\u2019s where Laura comes into play. Laura helps him resolve that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: I agree that we\u2019re being told that the Experiment is a force in the show but without knowing its motivation, I\u2019m personally having a hard time fearing it as a villain.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: The Experiment did brutally murder Sam and Tracey. There may be reasons behind that. I do believe that the box was a Mr C creature to try and capture the Experiment. Some people have pushed back on me on this one, and I don\u2019t have much evidence, but I do think Tracey was a force of good, like the accountant that attacked Hutch and Chantel, the baker that supplied the pie and the imagery that guided Dougie in the casino. With Tracey, the Z\u2019s kind of give you this evidence. Everything that was helping seemed to have a Z attached to it. With Tracey, she comes every night. We can almost project that she was told to come every night at 10:00 so Sam wouldn\u2019t see Cooper. Then she goes into the room and you could argue that she sacrifices herself. I know there isn\u2019t any evidence to support that but maybe she by starting to have sex with Sam antagonizes Experiment enough to draw it out and make that a crime scene. I like the idea that she was somehow instrumental in protecting Cooper. Did she antagonize the Experiment or is the Experiment just bad? Hawk does say you don\u2019t want to know what this is but he does not say it\u2019s the most evil thing in the world. Major Briggs puts the symbol on his little note. Is that a warning or a be on the lookout? Who knows? It\u2019s curious when the Experiment vomits out all that stuff; Bob seems to be anomalous to that. Bob is attached as if he wasn\u2019t supposed to be there. He stowed away in this stream of stuff. Again that doesn\u2019t tell us if Experiment is good or bad. Now one of the eggs did hatch into that frogmoth thing which then went into the girl. It\u2019s hard for me to see that being neutral. It\u2019s ominous and that came from the Experiment. I struggle with it too. I\u2019d like to see Experiment as a neutral force, but there seems to be some evidence that it\u2019s evil.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: A few questions that sprung from your response. The little girl from Part 8. How much do you think that scene will be expanded upon?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: I think we\u2019re going to get more information it. I don\u2019t know if it\u2019ll be a definitive answer but she was deliberately credited as \u201cGirl\u201d in the credits and she has to have some more connection to the narrative. I think they were holding back the revelation of her identity and we\u2019ll hopefully get more, if not an actual answer, then more evidence to support that it\u2019s Sarah Palmer or some person we haven\u2019t met or Judy perhaps.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: There are a lot of Sarah Palmer theories floating around right now. Some connect her to The Jumping Man; some connect her to Experiment. Where do you fall in this discussion?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: I think it\u2019s pretty clear that she\u2019s connected to The Jumping Man. It does look like her face in that quick shot. I can\u2019t envision Sarah Palmer as always being a host for something evil. It could be that she only recently got into this situation because the forces of evil know that Laura is coming. What better place to go than to Sarah to lay and wait for Laura? Sarah has sadly been made a victim but only recently. It\u2019s hard to imagine Sarah had these forces in her in the original series. We know she had perhaps some capabilities involving the supernatural but she was a victim, a tragic figure and is still. There\u2019s a really good argument that she was the girl from part 8. You would be stuck with two bad outcomes there. One, it\u2019s been in her the whole time and she\u2019s always been bad or just didn\u2019t know. I don\u2019t like that. Or, and I don\u2019t like this either that it\u2019s a changed or parallel reality where Bob went back in time, infested Sarah so he would be there when Laura came back which alters the timeline. For Lynch it might be \u201cwhy are you thinking of it as two definitive timelines, time is fluid, it doesn\u2019t matter\u201d. Once he infested her there, it changed the present and it doesn\u2019t change anything from the original series. I struggle with that but again, I\u2019m struggling with ideas that haven\u2019t been confirmed. I tend to think she\u2019s been made a victim after all of the bad things that happened to her in the original series. There\u2019s just not enough to go with yet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: There\u2019s part of me that\u2019s resistant to the idea that Sarah is inhabited by something after everything she\u2019s already been through. It makes me sad to think about. Perhaps that\u2019s really good storytelling though.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: What you and I are doing and we should be careful about this is saying that Sarah Palmer is a victim of these terrible forces but what if she\u2019s not? If she\u2019s the girl with the frogmoth, then she was victimized but we don\u2019t know if that was her or not. Maybe the Sarah that we\u2019re seeing right now cut a deal and said \u201cLook, I need to set some things right. I\u2019m willing to take on these evil forces so that I can essentially do some good\u201d. It\u2019s a stretch. She did kill that guy, but he wasn\u2019t a good guy. He was an \u201cinnocent victim\u201d because he didn\u2019t do anything but verbally assault her but he wasn\u2019t a good guy and she took him out, or she allowed the forces inside her to take him out. She hasn\u2019t done anything else, though. She didn\u2019t attack Hawk when he was there. She hasn\u2019t done anything overtly evil. I fall into that habit of saying \u201cOh she\u2019s been victimized\u201d, but maybe she has not been. Perhaps she chose to do some things. Her behavior doesn\u2019t support that so I\u2019m hesitant to go that way, but I\u2019m also hesitant to dismiss her as a victim again. It reduces the character a little.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: That just reinforced to me how much there is to cover the show\u2019s final two hours.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: Absolutely, but there\u2019s been a lot that\u2019s happened over the past few hours. The pace is picking up. You have to remember that we\u2019re thinking of two hours out of eighteen and it seems like a tiny part and we had several episodes that spoon fed us and inched things along but two hours is the length of Blue Velvet<\/em> and The Elephant Man<\/em> and it\u2019s longer than Eraserhead<\/em>. We have essentially a David Lynch film Sunday night and it could easily address a great many things that have already been put in place. It doesn\u2019t need to spend time establishing a lot more. It could easily move right through these things we\u2019re talking about and give us a lot of satisfactory information.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: We\u2019ve talked a lot before about what an eighteen-hour film means and we\u2019re at the end of the third act. It\u2019s reminiscent of the final thirty minutes of Mulholland Drive<\/em> where the speed just takes off.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: Think about the last ten or fifteen minutes of Blue Velvet<\/em>. So much happens and a lot gets resolved and packed in. Those ten minutes are the equivalent of these two hours. Lynch is looking at the overall structure and saying \u201cHere is where we\u2019ve crested the top of the roller-coaster and now we\u2019re going down\u201d. He might just boom boom boom\u2014things just start happening fast. We\u2019re at the final confrontation of the third act.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: Wanted to talk about the legacy characters a bit\u2014characters like James, Bobby, Shelly. The ones we know and love but aren\u2019t in the middle of the main plots at the moment. Do you think they\u2019ll get their curtain calls so to speak?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: That\u2019s a good question. I thought that some of these characters that were connected to Laura in the past would find some part in the redemption that\u2019s to come. James and Bobby would play some part in helping Laura where they couldn\u2019t in the past. We\u2019ve seen Leland already telling Cooper to \u201cFind Laura\u201d. I think that the connection to Laura is the only way. There\u2019s no plot for most of them. What\u2019s Bobby\u2019s plot other than that he\u2019s still pinning for Shelly? He\u2019s functional in the story in that he leads them to his mother and then guides them through his father\u2019s notes, but he doesn\u2019t have a story arc.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

James doesn\u2019t have an arc. We got a really nice resolution for Ed and Norma. Let\u2019s hope it holds. That was nice. So they are aware of these characters floating out there and they need to be addressed with hopefully some resolution. With that in mind, perhaps we see Bobby and Shelly come back together. Shelly seemed moved by Ed and Norma, so maybe she comes back to Bobby. It\u2019s minor, but it\u2019s something. I hope that those characters all have an end note. All of that being said, Audrey, all of a sudden has become an extremely critical character, with a story arc that probably plays into the finale in some way. We may get some definitive conclusion to her storyline. I don\u2019t know what else Ben could do. I hope there\u2019s more for him. Jerry may still play a critical role. He may come running into the Sherriff\u2019s Station and say \u201cYou won\u2019t believe what I saw!\u201d and they probably won\u2019t. Jerry was positioned to witness something. Does that pay off? Do all of these things fall into place, allowing Cooper to bring everything together?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: Going back to Shelly and Bobby, could we be ending their story on a tragic note? We recently saw Steven in the woods and there was a lot of speculation that he had perhaps killed Becky prior to that scene.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: A lot of people jumped to that conclusion. There\u2019s a critical scene hours before that where Steven is being abusive with Becky and he says \u201cI know what you did\u201d. Then in the scene in the woods he says something along the lines of \u201cI had to do it\u201d then Gersten says \u201cNo she did it\u201d. I could be getting that wrong. It\u2019s almost as if they\u2019re talking about an event that Becky and Steven were involved in and it\u2019s as if Becky knows something more, something she could reveal. Maybe Steven could have killed someone and his guilt is driving him to suicide. That\u2019s how I\u2019m reading it now at least. If Becky\u2019s dead, there\u2019s possible narrative purpose for Bobby and Shelly but that\u2019s a lot to shove into the last two hours. As the character of Becky stands, if she\u2019s dead now what did she add to the story? She knows something they need to find out from her.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: Moving over to Audrey. Do you think her issues are more psychiatric or Lodge related?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: That is a really good question. I\u2019m leaning more psychiatric only because she was looking in a mirror, in all white and it almost looked like a hospital gown. We have never seen anything like that before in the Lodge realms. With just that little bit of evidence, I\u2019m leaning towards her having been in a coma this whole time and hearing these conversations, hearing the music on the radio. This could all easily be changed though.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: We did a staff predictions piece this week, and for mine, I started thinking about who was always most important to Lynch: Cooper, Laura and Bob. Obviously, Cooper and Laura have roles moving forward but how does Bob fit into the finale? My prediction was that we would be left with the idea that Bob had inhabited someone else in the finale, leaving us with the idea that these cycles would continue in Twin Peaks<\/em> even without the camera rolling.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: I think Bob has to come into play still. Whoever the fake Jefferies was said they wanted to be with Bob again. We saw Bob extracted from Mr C. We saw him again later in part 8. Something has to be resolved about Bob. Can Bob be defeated? It seemed like he was in Fire Walk With Me? There\u2019s an irony there because he comes back into play in the story very quickly although I would argue that Bob was massing power in Fire Walk With Me<\/em> and about to become almost unstoppable and Laura cut him way down. So he\u2019s starting up again in the series trying to amass more power. He essentially achieves that by attaching himself to Evil Cooper and what they\u2019ve been doing for the past 25 years is continuing and trying to amass the ultimate power, which I think is Experiment. There\u2019s still linearity there that Laura stopped him early and now he\u2019s sort of had to start over again. So I think Laura will stop him again. Bob will come into play again, although I don\u2019t know how.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: My final question is, what would John Thorne like to see in the finale?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: Of course. There are lots of things I would love to see happen. I want to say this first though: I won\u2019t be disappointed. I don\u2019t think I can be. I mean, maybe if Gordon Cole turns to the camera and says \u201cI\u2019m David Lynch\u201d, that would be a waste of time. There are things I would love to see but I won\u2019t be disappointed if they don\u2019t happen. I would love to see Harry Truman again. They\u2019ve been talking about him and they keep saying he\u2019s in the hospital. If Lynch and Frost knew from the beginning that Michael Ontkean wasn\u2019t available, they could have told us up front we wouldn\u2019t have seen him again. But they did not do that. Frank calls him. There\u2019s all this stuff that says he\u2019s close by.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I half expect to see him. I had hoped that Annie<\/a> would be in it, but I\u2019m not sure that they need to address her again. It would be cool to see her again though. It would be cool to see Josie again. The humming noise in the Great Northern certainly implies Josie. Those are character moments. I want to see Laura Palmer again. I want to see her interact with characters that never got to say goodbye to her: James, Bobby, Sarah and Leland get to see her and understand that she\u2019s ok. I think that would be a really nice resolution to the whole thing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Is there any chance that Laura returns to the land of the living? Is there any strange symmetry that the show started with Laura dead, wrapped in plastic back in 1990 and ends with Laura Palmer alive? There\u2019s nothing to support that except her line \u201cI\u2019m dead, yet I live\u201d. The concept of the tulpas, which is an expansion of the doppelganger, has been introduced to the show which may indict that there could be more than two versions of oneself. Could they not manufacture Laura Palmer to come back to the land of the living or was Laura Palmer herself a tulpa? I know its crazy talk but they have introduced the fact that there are multiple selves. I don\u2019t know that they are just going to let pass by without capitalizing on it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AG<\/strong>: It\u2019s absolutely a way to bring Laura back to the land of the living. Did we already see the creation of her tulpa back in part 8?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JT<\/strong>: Exactly. Is a tulpa a complete human entity? If The Fireman had access to her soul, then this Laura Palmer would be no less than the Laura Palmer that was there before. She could be a fully rounded character. I would love for a surprise such as Laura is alive again to be an element of the end.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Author John Thorne (Wrapped in Plastic magazine, The Blue Rose Magazine and The Essential Wrapped in Plastic) returns to the site as him and I had a phone conversation yesterday previewing the Twin Peaks finale. Here\u2019s a transcript of that conversation. I hope you enjoy reading! AG: How are your feelings different before this finale […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":291857,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"saved_in_kubio":false,"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[38],"tags":[112,39],"class_list":["post-160502659","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-twin-peaks","tag-david-lynch","tag-showtime"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/160502659","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=160502659"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/160502659\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":160502661,"href":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/160502659\/revisions\/160502661"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/291857"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=160502659"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=160502659"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=160502659"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}