{"id":160502632,"date":"2017-11-22T05:22:00","date_gmt":"2017-11-22T05:22:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/?p=160502632"},"modified":"2026-02-22T05:23:27","modified_gmt":"2026-02-22T05:23:27","slug":"discussing-all-things-twin-peaks-with-josh-eisenstadt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/?p=160502632","title":{"rendered":"Discussing All Things Twin Peaks with Josh Eisenstadt"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>I recently had the chance to speak with filmmaker Josh Eisenstadt. In the Twin Peaks <a href=\"https:\/\/www.andrewgrevas.com\/?p=160502630\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"\">community<\/a>, Josh is known as one of the first super fans and can even be found in the documentary Reflections on the Phenomenon of Twin Peaks which appeared on the original DVD release of Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me. In Part 1 of this interview, we discuss many Twin Peaks related topics including the yearly Twin Peaks Festival, Season 3, theories, The Final Dossier (spoilers if you haven\u2019t read it) and more! In Part 2, we will be diving into Josh\u2019s career. Hope you enjoy what was a fun conversation for us!<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> You are known for being one of the original <em>Twin Peaks<\/em> super fans. I wanted to talk a little bit about your history with the show. Now we kind of take for granted how big this fandom is but you pre-date that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> Yes [laughs]. I\u2019ve seen a lot of different eras, from the beginning, when I was a very little kid. I\u2019ve definitely been with it the whole time. I was way smaller than I should have been to be watching a show with this kind of content. It was episode 2, the dream sequence episode. My parents were watching the original airing of it and I happened to walk in the room. I don\u2019t know what it was, but something caught me and pulled me in. I was drawn into it. By the time the dream sequence happened, I was hooked. I remember saying something to my parents to the effect of \u201cThis is the most amazing thing I\u2019ve ever seen. I want to know everything about this\u201d. I guess that\u2019s what they call famous last words. Here I am 27 years later. I was the only kid in my elementary school watching it obviously.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> We have a pretty similar backstory. I remember seeing the previews before the pilot aired and I was petrified. I did sneak in to watch part of the pilot with my mom and after initially not wanting me to watch with her, she eventually gave in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> I was allowed to watch. I found someone with the Pilot and episode 1 on tape, so I got caught up and never missed from there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> My story is a little different from yours in the fact that the season 2 finale scared me so bad that I didn\u2019t watch <em>Fire Walk With Me<\/em> until I was 18. I had nightmares for years before I finally faced my fears and watched the film.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> I had a local theatre that you could get into to see R rated films even if you were underage. I\u2019m glad I did because I don\u2019t think I could\u2019ve waited.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> Let\u2019s talk a little bit about the <em>Twin Peaks<\/em> Festival. How would you describe it to someone who has never attended one before?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> I would say first of all to ignore all concept of what you think of when you think of a regular festival. The way I always think of it is that the show is unique and so is the festival in a similar way. It\u2019s not a <em>Star Trek <\/em>convention\u2014it\u2019s not even a convention. It becomes more of a family atmosphere. We have cast members there, and they\u2019re intermingling with everyone there. We have a banquet dinner and a costume contest. I\u2019ve been running the trivia contest there for more years than I can count. I think it has a reputation for being the hardest trivia contest out there, or so I hear. It\u2019s very much a long party. We have a karaoke night. This last festival, John Pirruccello got up and did karaoke with everybody, which was great. It\u2019s a really fun, party experience that is definitely not a convention. It\u2019s not that kind of thing and is its own unique experience.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> What\u2019s the hardest trivia question you\u2019ve ever asked at the festival?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> There\u2019s a category in the final round called \u201cSuper Difficult\u201d. When it gets to there just about anything is fair game. It\u2019s a category you would pick and there have been people that have got those right, such as Spencer who is 17 and won 3 years in a row recently. An example of a question in this category would be \u201cWhat is Hank Jennings\u2019 prison number\u201d. You see it on the sheet\u2014 it is 8464257, but it\u2019s not easy to get. You don\u2019t have to know the \u201cSuper Difficult\u201d to win though. You can pick that as a category in the final round and get extra points to get ahead of your opponents by picking it. You could still win a million times over without getting those right though. When we get to what are known as the Level 3 questions, there are ones that are difficult but are not anywhere near that level. An example of a Level 3 question would be \u201cWhat does Truman order from the Double R when he\u2019s suffering from a hangover in episode 25?\u2019 It\u2019s a chicken pot pie and a large glass of milk. So that\u2019s a Level 3 after we\u2019ve been through much easier rounds.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> Let\u2019s shift gears to Season 3. Did you ever have any expectations that the show would return in any way, shape or form?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> No. I was always the one who told people it\u2019s never going to happen. Stop it, stop getting your hopes up, there\u2019s not going to be a Season 3. I remember thinking when Frank Silva died that it was over at that point. That was before I ever imagined Bob in a black orb (laughs). That was 1995 when that happened before the era of modern CGI. What I thought was the best use of modern CGI in the new season was the slow transformation of Cooper\u2019s face in the jail. \u201cYou\u2019re still with me. That\u2019s good\u201d. That slow, subtle morph. It was so good.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> Let\u2019s talk about the announcement and the dual tweets. You didn\u2019t think it was ever going to happen; you didn\u2019t see this coming. What was that moment like for you?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> Before I saw the dual tweets, I saw the announcement. I woke up to my phone blowing up. I must have had 30 text messages. I didn\u2019t believe it because I\u2019ve heard those rumors before. When I saw it, I remember thinking that this was a good dream, but it was time to wake up now. It seemed too good to be true.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> What was your experience like over the course of Season 3 airing? In many of the interviews I\u2019ve conducted this year with the cast, your name has come up. Whether it be going out to dinner or how welcoming you were, your name was always included in the list of people in the community that welcomed and embraced the new cast members with open arms and said, \u201cYou\u2019re a part of the family.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> That\u2019s really nice for people to say that I do appreciate it. I\u2019ve been honored to have been welcomed into that, let\u2019s put it that way. I\u2019m fortunate enough to call a lot of them friends. People that had I met them for reasons besides <em>Twin Peaks<\/em> we\u2019d still be friends because they\u2019re just genuinely great people. This just happens to be the way we met. I have to thank David Lynch, Mark Frost and Sabrina Sutherland and everyone else responsible for getting these people together.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I\u2019m assuming you loved the new season as well, right? I know there were some dissenters out there although I don\u2019t know many personally.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> Absolutely. The night of the finale, I really wanted to be alone, on my couch in the dark to watch those final two hours. In those final moments after Cooper said, \u201cWhat year is this?\u201d followed by Laura screaming and then the shot of her whispering to him in the Red Room, I knew that even though I didn\u2019t understand it, that there was an ending there and it was my job to figure it out. I enjoyed that and really embraced that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> I remember there being stunned silence in the room. That happened quite a bit at the ending of the last few episodes. Part 16 with Audrey, she\u2019s dancing, and then it cuts to her in the white room and then the cut to the band playing \u201cAudrey\u2019s Dance\u201d backwards. Even that was like a whoa moment. I felt so exhilarated at the end of every week. I watch other things, but nothing else does this to me. There\u2019s something about that world of <em>Twin Peaks<\/em> and the way that David Lynch does it that gets you on a subconscious level that most things don\u2019t.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> I think you\u2019re right; I don\u2019t think it can be described. I don\u2019t think we can ever explain to someone why we\u2019re this passionate about it. It just has to be experienced and felt.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> I think it either gets you or it doesn\u2019t. I\u2019ve personally introduced a lot of friends of mine to it, and there are some that like it but don\u2019t want to tell me exactly how they feel because they know my feelings about it [laughs]. But then there are others that start talking about wanting to watch it again, buy the sets, go to the festival and all of this other stuff. You can tell when it really gets someone.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> From Season 3, what are some moments or arcs that really stuck with you?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> Part 8, obviously. It was maybe the most amazing hour of television I\u2019ve ever seen in my life. It was so beautiful from beginning to end. Perfection and I know I\u2019m not in the minority thinking that. Robert Broski deserves a shout out who plays the \u201cGot a light?\u201d Woodsmen. He\u2019s such a great guy, the total opposite of that character in real life. There is no need to be afraid of him. He does not crush people\u2019s skulls [laughs].<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> I would love to talk theories with you. Something that I\u2019ve really latched onto is that Ray Wise only spoke two words in the entire season \u201cFind Laura\u201d. To me, you don\u2019t have Ray Wise only speak two words unless they\u2019re arguably the two most important words in the season.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> I believe they are two of the most important words in the entire season and I believe that they are absolutely Dale Cooper\u2019s goal from the moment he leaves the Black Lodge and is aware of who he is. I believe there\u2019s a very specific reason for that. Laura Palmer, as we saw, was created in that golden orb and set into the world. The implication seems to be that she\u2019s created as a force to neutralize Bob. We see The Fireman look up at the screen and he sees Bob coming down in the black orb and then we see Laura in the golden orb, which seems to be a response to Bob. However, I\u2019m not necessarily sure that\u2019s the case though. I think that Laura is actually a force to neutralize Jow-Day, Judy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I believe that \u201cFind Laura\u201d is Cooper needing to bring Laura to the Palmer house as we know he tries to do that. He needs to do this because Judy is in Sarah Palmer and that the force of Laura Palmer will neutralize the force of Judy. As you\u2019ll recall, Gordon Cole said they had a plan to lead them to Judy, which involved Cooper and Major Briggs. I think when Cooper goes back in time and finds Laura Palmer, that\u2019s what he\u2019s trying to do. Saving Laura Palmer is not necessarily his primary goal. Remember what he tells her when she asks where they\u2019re going. He says home. Well if he\u2019s trying to save Laura Palmer\u2019s life the last place you take her is home. That\u2019s where Leland is. You take her out of the state or out of the country. He wants to take her home because he wants to take her in front of her Judy possessed mother. That\u2019s the theory that I\u2019ve come to. When she\u2019s yanked out of that timeline and yanked into the alternate timeline which I believe is a dream\u2014possibly a dream of Judy herself\u2014that\u2019s when she lost her identity and becomes Carrie Page. So it\u2019s now very important that he finds Laura, as Leland says. The same way that Laura lost her identity, now Cooper and Diane are in danger of losing their identity and becoming Richard and Linda. So The Fireman warns Cooper \u201cRemember 430, Richard and Linda\u201d. He\u2019s warning him right there that this can happen. That, in a nutshell, is what it all means to me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> How do you feel about Sarah Palmer being the \u201cfrogmoth girl\u201d from Part 8 and how that might potentially change her story and character arc?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> From the start, I never thought it was Sarah. There was no evidence of Sarah growing up in New Mexico. Also, I didn\u2019t think the girl looked like Grace Zabriskie. I always thought that the \u201cfrogmoth girl\u201d was more symbolic and I still think it is, even if it was Sarah Palmer. To me, it was this young girl and boy who were discovering the idea of young love for the first time and this beautiful, innocent moment that was corrupted. The story of the little girl who lived down the lane; the underlying theme of <em>Twin Peaks<\/em> of corrupted innocence exemplified by this. I think it still is. I don\u2019t think the frog moth is Judy. My thought would be that the frog moth entering Sarah Palmer probably has more to do with her ability to see things. I know some people think that she was possessed the whole time and that she was the true evil behind the scenes at the Palmer house. I\u2019m not sure that I see that. I don\u2019t see evidence of that. If that was the case, why would Leland have to drug her? I think the frog moth might have made her more open to being possessed by something later, but also if that was Judy, it goes against what was established earlier about someone having to let these spirits in. Bob couldn\u2019t just possess Laura. She had to let him in and she refused. It wasn\u2019t as easy as a frog moth crawling in her mouth. I would think that it wore down Sarah Palmer and eventually she allowed this Judy entity in during the 25 years in between.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been doing a slow study of Season 3 in my weekly column and a few weeks ago, I wrote about the Palmer family. I\u2019m in absolute agreement with you on Sarah. I wrote that her pain and suffering over the years made her susceptible and that the Black Lodge entities and Judy wanted the Palmer house too because of all of the pain and suffering that had happened there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> They were attracted to it. The other theory I would tell you that goes along with it and I\u2019ve had this theory for a long time. <em>The Final Dossier<\/em> seems to confirm this for me. We have the symbol on the card that Evil Cooper shows Darya. The same symbol shows up on Hawk\u2019s map. The symbol on Hawk\u2019s map shows up above Blue Pine Mountain under a moon symbol and Hawk tells Sherriff Frank that you don\u2019t want to know about that. The Log Lady in her last call says to Hawk \u201cBeware of the one under the moon above Blue Pine Mountain\u201d, which is a reference to the symbol that I think clearly represents Judy. Which means Evil Cooper wants Judy. He\u2019s yelling \u201cWho is Judy?\u201d to Phillip Jefferies. So, I think why he wants the coordinates and I think Mark Frost\u2019s book backs this up is that the coordinates take him to The Fireman\u2019s place and when he gets there what he sees on the screen is the Palmer house. I believe basically that he can travel to places from The Fireman\u2019s place and he knows that what he\u2019s going to see on that screen is the location of Judy. So his plan was to use the coordinates to find out where Judy was and go right there. I believe that if he partnered up with Judy what would happen would be catastrophic and Mark Frost\u2019s book confirmed that theory. But The Fireman waves his hand and the image onscreen changes and instead he winds up at the Sherriff\u2019s station where he had engineered his destruction. Putting Freddie there to destroy Bob and giving Andy the visions to lead to the destruction of Evil Cooper at the same time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> What did you think of the Freddie\/Bob scene?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> Well, I don\u2019t think Bob is necessarily destroyed the way some people think. I don\u2019t think you can kill Bob that easily. I would say if anything the orb is destroyed and the spirit of Bob has gone back to the Lodge where he\u2019s contained but not destroyed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> Throughout the season, we saw Mike helping Dougie. Do you think this was so Bob could be returned to the Lodge where he could resume his role of bringing garmonbozia?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> I think that Mike, as we know from episode 13 back in Season 2 hates Bob. He wants to stop Bob; therefore, he\u2019s opposed to Evil Cooper because he has Bob in him. I don\u2019t think there are any Lodge entities that we\u2019ve seen that are all good. I think that they are partners of convenience, so to speak. The one that might be good is Se\u00f1orita Dido, maybe. You remember the whole thing in <em>The Secret History of Twin Peaks<\/em> where it says that there may be both a good and evil factor at play and our own feeble terms of good and evil have no meaning? I think that might be along the lines of what we\u2019re talking about here. The Fireman seems to want to both neutralize and stop Bob, Evil Cooper and Judy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> Do you look at The Fireman as more of a balancing act, so to speak?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> Yes, I think he is. Even the name suggests putting out fires. Maybe there are certain fires you have to put out?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> Just to wrap up here, anything, in conclusion, you would like to say about the third season of <em>Twin Peaks<\/em>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> My opinion on it is that it\u2019s an absolute masterpiece. I\u2019m happy to be accepted as such so quickly. I felt that <em>Fire Walk With Me<\/em> was a masterpiece my first time seeing it and it unfairly got a bad rap. I\u2019m on record saying that on the DVD release of the film in the US where I\u2019m saying that back in 2002 or whatever and I stick to that. Obviously, I want a Season 4 really bad, but I feel that I\u2019m being greedy when I say that. If we don\u2019t get a Season 4, I\u2019m very thankful for what we did it because it was amazing and it\u2019s enough to have us talking and wondering for a very long time. We have those new 18 hours to delve into. It does feel like you\u2019re going back into that world and it\u2019s something very nice to revisit. I know some people say how do you watch a show or a film more than once. My answer to that is that it\u2019s the same as listening to a song more than once. If there\u2019s a song that you love, you might hear it 70 times, but depending on the mood that you\u2019re in, it could have a different relationship to you. You could hear it slightly differently, or it could mean something different to you at a different time. I think that any art that is successful works that way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I have got to tell you though, watching hours one and two on the big screen at the premiere was one of the most amazing nights of my life. Obviously, David Lynch had it calibrated the way he wants it; it is on the big screen, it\u2019s surrounding you\u2026I could probably do a whole interview on just that experience. I\u2019m sure John Thorne has told you some stories about it. When the lights went down and they started it, I remember thinking \u201cWhat are the credits going to be? Will the theme be the same?\u201d We knew nothing going in. The lights go down, the Showtime logo goes up, the Rancho Rosa logo goes up and then the 2 hours just flew by. I didn\u2019t say a word to anybody after (that wasn\u2019t at the premiere). They did something the next day at City Walk at a doughnut place, having a <em>Twin Peaks<\/em> Day. I remember I went there and the people I know from the festival were there. I saw John Thorne, and I said, \u201cOutside\u2014we gotta talk.\u201d So we went outside and had this long private conversation because we didn\u2019t want to say anything in front of anyone else and ruin anything. Obviously, we had so much to talk about.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> That\u2019s such a huge secret to hold onto with so few people you can talk to for 48 hours.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> It was easy for me to do it for 48 hours, but I can\u2019t imagine how some of the cast members did it. The ones with bigger roles knew so much more. They only knew what they did, but a Michael Horse or a Kimmy Robertson would\u2019ve known a lot since they were in a lot of significant scenes. Anyone that was in the Sheriff\u2019s Station scene in Part 17 knew a lot. I\u2019ve had a lot of interesting conversations with the actors since then about that sequence and how they held that in. [Laughs]<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Definitely had some interesting talks on that one. They knew certain things like Bob in the black orb and Lucy shooting Evil Cooper and nobody would\u2019ve guessed that. I was at the cast and crew finale party and I remember when that happened [Lucy shooting Evil Cooper] there was probably a good 20 second applause after. Most of the people there didn\u2019t know that was coming. I remember for a split second thinking that Frank got shot. When Evil Cooper sees Andy outside before he reaches into his jacket and I thought he was going to shoot Andy then and I thought \u201cNo, you can\u2019t shoot Andy!\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> To me, that was such a cool commentary on society\u2019s obsession with the anti-hero. Evil Cooper was a lot like a Walter White or a Tony Soprano only here Lucy, who is arguably the purest character on the show is the hero in the final confrontation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> That\u2019s an interesting point, the connection to him and a Walter White or Tony Soprano. I mean, who was not rooting for him in the arm-wrestling scene at the farm? Didn\u2019t everyone find themselves rooting for him then? A lot of that was Kyle\u2019s acting. He better win an Emmy for this, that\u2019s all I have got to say. The multiple roles and how good he was at each one of them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> We could spend an hour just talking about him in the diner in the final hour alone. Whether you want to call him a unified Cooper, a different character or however you choose to describe it, he was so different. He was cold and had this rattlesnake element to him.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> Even that bit where the waitress says \u201cCoffee\u201d and he just nods his head. When he does that you know its not the regular Dale Cooper. That goes back to me saying when he\u2019s in that alternate place when he crosses over and you know from Mark Frost\u2019s book that basically Cooper has gone missing again once he went into the boiler room. I do think in a way its a mix of good Coop and bad Coop. The doppelg\u00e4nger always represented that shadow self, that every human being, no matter how good they are has a darker element to them. Maybe they repress it, maybe they keep it down but its there. When Cooper entered the Black Lodge, he meets his own shadow self, the dweller on the threshold, the dark part that does exist. When he loses his identity because I do think people when they\u2019re in that alternate whatever he crosses into\u2014we can call it the dream or Judy\u2019s dream or whatever we want to call it, which he knows is not of Earth because Mark Frost\u2019s book says Cooper and Diane disappeared from the world again. Clearly, people lose their identity there. Laura is Carrie Page, Diane is Linda, Cooper is Richard. He still calls himself Dale Cooper but nonetheless he is becoming Richard. The fact that it\u2019s the same name as the offspring of Evil Cooper can\u2019t be a coincidence. In the meantime, he seems to be the good Coop but with an equal measure of the bad Coop there too. He will try to protect the waitress when she\u2019s being harassed, but at the same time, he\u2019s shooting the gun and pointing it haphazardly around, including at her and then putting it in a fryer. I just went to the restaurant where they filmed recently with some friends and I was tempted to ask them if they served deep fried guns, but I didn\u2019t think they would get it [laughs].<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> Ultimately, Laura is the character I\u2019m most emotionally connected to. We\u2019re both <em>Fire Walk With Me<\/em> guys. There\u2019s a pull to her and to the emotional weight of her story which is probably why we both didn\u2019t want Sarah to be the frog moth girl. The pain that those women went through and then when you think of how that could be changed by Sarah being perhaps a greater villain than even Leland was.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think Sarah was a greater villain at that point though. I think the frog moth could simply be the reason why she had her visions. Now how that got passed onto Maddy is another question entirely. Initially, I thought it was something genetic in Sarah\u2019s bloodline, which was why Maddy also had those visions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> I agree with you. I do not think Sarah was more villainous. I think her possession came much later in those twenty-five passing years as a result of her pain and suffering.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> I think so too. I think when she\u2019s in the grocery store, she\u2019s trying to warn the people there about it, which interestingly enough is called Keri\u2019s, with a K. Spelled differently but still interesting. I think she\u2019s trying to warn them. Then she says, \u201cSarah stop doing this.\u201d That could be the voice of Judy telling her to stop.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> What\u2019s your interpretation of the scene where Sarah smashes Laura\u2019s picture at the end of Part 17?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s in direct relation to what Cooper\u2019s doing in the past. I think it\u2019s Judy being angry and after that that Judy is the one that someone yanks Laura out of that timeline. I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s a timeline or a dream, but wherever she yanks her from, she goes to Odessa to be Carrie Page. She\u2019s hiding her from Cooper. She knows that Laura Palmer is the means of her destruction.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AG:<\/strong> I like that because it keeps the Cooper and Laura relationship as needing one another, the same way they did before.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Josh Eisenstadt:<\/strong> They are completely connected and the two of them, despite all of the bad that\u2019s happened to them in their lives have goodness at their base that when together can stop these forces of evil. To me, I do think in the end they\u2019re in some kind of dream. It felt so dreamlike the whole thing. Take the headlights in the driving scene. Maybe someone was following them, or maybe they weren\u2019t, but it has this dream feeling to it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I recently had the chance to speak with filmmaker Josh Eisenstadt. In the Twin Peaks community, Josh is known as one of the first super fans and can even be found in the documentary Reflections on the Phenomenon of Twin Peaks which appeared on the original DVD release of Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me. 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